1 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:10,250 foreign 2 00:00:59,689 --> 00:00:27,740 [Music] 3 00:00:59,699 --> 00:01:05,530 foreign 4 00:01:10,490 --> 00:01:07,969 welcome to the show I'm Martin Willis 5 00:01:13,250 --> 00:01:10,500 your host and we have another fantastic 6 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:13,260 show for you this evening we have Carl 7 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:17,880 olshek and he was on the USS Reagan back 8 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:20,880 in 2004 had a very strange sighting was 9 00:01:26,929 --> 00:01:23,820 more strange by the reactions of 10 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:26,939 everyone than the sighting I think but 11 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:28,380 uh anyway we're going to be talking to 12 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:32,340 him and this week's blog by Charles Lear 13 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:36,360 is the second part of abduction UFO 14 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:38,340 Abduction research gone sideways part 15 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:41,880 two where he gets into the crazy stuff 16 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:45,840 that happened with Emma Woods and the 17 00:01:49,789 --> 00:01:48,299 allegations and things like that so uh 18 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:49,799 but anyway that's the last of the series 19 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:51,960 I think he's written five blogs on that 20 00:01:58,910 --> 00:01:56,399 another great one by him and uh let's 21 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:58,920 see I don't think I have anything else 22 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:01,200 to announce I do appreciate everyone 23 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:03,299 that helps out with the show and anyone 24 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:05,040 can do that all you have to do is go 25 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:08,280 over to the website podcast ufo.com we 26 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:10,200 also have a pretty active Facebook page 27 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:12,239 I think there's 20 some odd thousand 28 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:14,760 people that uh sometimes interact and 29 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:17,220 just look that up on Facebook podcast 30 00:02:22,729 --> 00:02:20,280 UFO and our guests I'm bringing them in 31 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:22,739 now Carl welcome 32 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:24,780 hey how are you nice to see you Martin 33 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:28,200 big family yes great thank you I 34 00:02:33,170 --> 00:02:30,720 remember hearing about you in this case 35 00:02:35,390 --> 00:02:33,180 uh Dave Beatty alerted me to it but 36 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:35,400 you've had it out there for a while uh 37 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,500 you published something out there to to 38 00:02:42,890 --> 00:02:39,840 kind of get the word out 39 00:02:45,470 --> 00:02:42,900 um so uh how long has this been this 40 00:02:49,729 --> 00:02:45,480 story did you feel comfortable putting 41 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:49,739 it out there after the USS Nimitz uh you 42 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:51,900 know case was out there everywhere 43 00:02:57,949 --> 00:02:54,959 that's correct there's uh my Shipmates 44 00:03:01,070 --> 00:02:57,959 uh quite a few of them have been asking 45 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:01,080 me to write about it for a while and 46 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:04,739 um well I mean as much as I appreciate 47 00:03:12,110 --> 00:03:10,200 the topic I uh was doing different kinds 48 00:03:15,170 --> 00:03:12,120 of writing having to do with activism 49 00:03:19,369 --> 00:03:15,180 and I felt like uh writing about the UAP 50 00:03:21,229 --> 00:03:19,379 Topic at the at the time would have 51 00:03:24,649 --> 00:03:21,239 detracted from what I was writing about 52 00:03:28,369 --> 00:03:24,659 which was an anti-war topic and now 53 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:28,379 after 2017 these top two topics have 54 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:29,700 collided 55 00:03:33,410 --> 00:03:32,340 yeah the way they have you know you're 56 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:33,420 right 57 00:03:37,970 --> 00:03:36,000 um and what do you think in general 58 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:37,980 about 59 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:40,799 um you know the the the hard look I have 60 00:03:44,930 --> 00:03:43,319 to say uh about what's going on in the 61 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:44,940 military when it comes to they call it 62 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:50,030 um I have a friend who just retired from 63 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:53,280 space force also had a UAP encounter he 64 00:03:59,809 --> 00:03:56,400 told me that uh you know he wants to get 65 00:04:03,710 --> 00:03:59,819 a hold of Dave as well but you know no 66 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:03,720 people this is a a topic 67 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:06,540 it's crazy how similar these two topics 68 00:04:11,149 --> 00:04:08,819 are like the the topic of renewable 69 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:11,159 energy for instance in the topic of uaps 70 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:13,260 there are certain people that won't 71 00:04:18,289 --> 00:04:15,120 think about the topic of renewable 72 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:18,299 energy at all it's hokey it's fairy dust 73 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:21,060 it's this it's that and it just doesn't 74 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:23,820 fit into their personality so whether 75 00:04:28,189 --> 00:04:25,500 you're inside of the military or outside 76 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:28,199 I feel like you encounter that people 77 00:04:34,129 --> 00:04:30,300 that say that that's just not me 78 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:34,139 yeah well I I think you know from what 79 00:04:39,230 --> 00:04:37,320 I've seen the reaction to the Renewables 80 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:39,240 and things like that is it's like it's a 81 00:04:45,409 --> 00:04:42,000 hard Arc to get from where we are over 82 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:45,419 to that and convince you know people and 83 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,280 setting up the infrastructure to make it 84 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:49,919 all work but once it's in place then 85 00:04:53,629 --> 00:04:51,120 we're going to be in really good shape 86 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:53,639 but it's it's it's a hard 87 00:04:58,550 --> 00:04:55,740 um you know it's it's gonna cost some 88 00:05:00,650 --> 00:04:58,560 money and and it's gonna cause uh 89 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:00,660 environmental damage to get to a place 90 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:02,880 to stop the environmental damage you 91 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:04,620 know I mean well the biggest purchases 92 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:06,840 of environmental sorry I mean interrupt 93 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:08,160 you the biggest purchasers of 94 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:10,020 environmental products oh is the 95 00:05:16,909 --> 00:05:13,380 military but it's convincing it's 96 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:16,919 convincing the the the Personnel to use 97 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:20,280 the environmental products and you know 98 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,800 because in terms of delivering gas into 99 00:05:27,409 --> 00:05:24,960 a war zone you don't want to lose lives 100 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:27,419 in delivering gas so this is obviously 101 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:29,220 something the military has always been 102 00:05:33,650 --> 00:05:30,900 thinking about but it's completely off 103 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:33,660 the topic of uaps but it is the same 104 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:35,520 because it's kind of a mentality thing 105 00:05:42,230 --> 00:05:39,060 you know that it's like I love my gas I 106 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:42,240 love my truck or I love the way my 107 00:05:45,950 --> 00:05:43,979 mentality is already structured and I'm 108 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:45,960 not trying to mess with it which I'm not 109 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:49,220 sure that that's a that's reasonable 110 00:05:56,510 --> 00:05:52,740 sanity is sanity is not overrated right 111 00:05:58,490 --> 00:05:56,520 right exactly so uh let's talk about now 112 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:58,500 tonight I'd like to be able to talk 113 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:00,660 about both encounters that you had and 114 00:06:06,350 --> 00:06:03,479 the LA the latter one uh but the one 115 00:06:08,749 --> 00:06:06,360 that um is really fascinating and and 116 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:08,759 why you're here to speak about 117 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:10,740 um I'd like for you to 118 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:13,380 um just go through and tell us uh you 119 00:06:16,129 --> 00:06:15,000 know what happened 120 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:16,139 okay 121 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:17,600 so 122 00:06:26,090 --> 00:06:22,560 I I went into the military right after 9 123 00:06:30,650 --> 00:06:26,100 11 and I ended up in in boot camp in 124 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:30,660 April of 2002 and I commissioned the 125 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:32,880 Ronald Reagan and so I was a plank owner 126 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:36,539 on the Ronald Reagan and so I was one of 127 00:06:40,730 --> 00:06:38,580 the first Quartermasters I struck out 128 00:06:43,309 --> 00:06:40,740 into the rate and I was one of the first 129 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,319 Quartermasters to be trained and you 130 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:45,440 know to be working on that ship 131 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:47,160 and 132 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:50,880 um one particular evening I relieved one 133 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:54,300 of my Shipmates and I was like what is 134 00:06:58,129 --> 00:06:56,880 that and she's like I don't know 135 00:06:59,270 --> 00:06:58,139 and I'm like what do you mean you don't 136 00:07:10,610 --> 00:06:59,280 know 137 00:07:12,830 --> 00:07:10,620 then just took off I'm like okay so 138 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:12,840 there's this orb about the above the 139 00:07:16,730 --> 00:07:14,940 flight deck right from this is my 140 00:07:18,409 --> 00:07:16,740 perspective there's other perspectives 141 00:07:20,749 --> 00:07:18,419 in this book from in my perspective 142 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:20,759 there's this orb there but I've been 143 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:24,900 brainwashed into you know if the officer 144 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:26,520 of the deck is concerned then I'm 145 00:07:33,770 --> 00:07:29,160 concerned it's my my whole relationship 146 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:33,780 with authority had kind of changed and 147 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:37,680 um so I it was just kind of it was like 148 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:41,220 The Truman Show kind of except with a 149 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:44,819 UAP you know which is a APT metaphor I 150 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:46,080 think 151 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:48,240 um so this thing was was hovering there 152 00:07:52,969 --> 00:07:50,580 above the flight deck the there seemed 153 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:52,979 to be a complete delineation on the 154 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:56,819 bridge uh between officers and enlisted 155 00:08:01,550 --> 00:07:58,800 and I'm just popping this up for the 156 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:01,560 people on YouTube this was something I 157 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:03,840 just found on the internet 158 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:06,780 um and so I guess I have to ask you and 159 00:08:10,129 --> 00:08:08,520 sorry to interrupt you here and I want 160 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:10,139 you to keep going but 161 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:12,419 um is that kind of what you think you 162 00:08:20,450 --> 00:08:19,309 um it's it's very similar it's very 163 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:20,460 similar 164 00:08:24,650 --> 00:08:21,120 um 165 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:24,660 uh uh I would say that that there was 166 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:28,560 another if you look up uh the sun the 167 00:08:34,909 --> 00:08:31,199 sun had a mock-up that they did of their 168 00:08:38,029 --> 00:08:34,919 own and I thought that that one was uh 169 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:38,039 if you look up my name and the the sun I 170 00:08:44,329 --> 00:08:41,279 believe uh that one was was closer even 171 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:44,339 though I love Dave's as well 172 00:08:50,449 --> 00:08:47,160 um yep yep okay so continue on and again 173 00:08:53,690 --> 00:08:50,459 I apologize for uh interrupting 174 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:53,700 yeah so the on the bridge I guess I have 175 00:08:58,430 --> 00:08:55,279 to explain what a quartermaster does 176 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:58,440 quartermaster is uh works for directly 177 00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:00,000 for the ship's Navigator there's a 178 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:01,920 limited amount of department heads on a 179 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:04,920 on a ship and the Navigator runs his own 180 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:07,560 department so we're in charge of making 181 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:10,320 sure the ship is positioned in a way so 182 00:09:16,190 --> 00:09:13,220 the planes can take off and then land 183 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:16,200 and uh during during flight operations 184 00:09:19,970 --> 00:09:17,880 and then we're in charge of making sure 185 00:09:23,630 --> 00:09:19,980 the ship knows where it's going in in 186 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:23,640 other circumstances and 187 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:27,889 sorry I lost my I lost my train of 188 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:30,240 thought there but uh there's there's 189 00:09:34,490 --> 00:09:32,100 Quartermasters and then there's bosom 190 00:09:36,949 --> 00:09:34,500 mates and they're like the they they 191 00:09:39,170 --> 00:09:36,959 have a number of different jobs on the 192 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:39,180 ship having to do with the anchor and a 193 00:09:44,990 --> 00:09:42,000 lot of the traditional duties these are 194 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:45,000 mostly traditional rates uh there's a 195 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:46,980 lot of operations people and then 196 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:49,140 there's officers which consists mostly 197 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:54,120 of helicopter pilots and uh airplane jet 198 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:57,240 jet pilots and some of them retired 199 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:00,720 Pilots whatever and there seemed to be 200 00:10:07,310 --> 00:10:03,360 uh you know in terms of I mentioned 201 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:07,320 backstage that the um the miracle of Our 202 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:11,339 Lady Fatima seemed to uh Co you know 203 00:10:16,370 --> 00:10:14,160 seem to kind of be the same as the 204 00:10:18,889 --> 00:10:16,380 experience that I'm having here with 205 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:18,899 this orb that's hovering above us 206 00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:21,600 because some people seem to see it some 207 00:10:26,170 --> 00:10:25,200 people seem to not see it you know and 208 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:26,180 um 209 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:28,860 you know some people are excited and I'm 210 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:31,200 I've asked myself and asked other people 211 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:34,800 and I asked who I had relieved why we 212 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,160 weren't at General quarters I mean for 213 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:40,320 me what does General quarters mean 214 00:10:46,449 --> 00:10:43,500 exactly General quarters is a is a 215 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:46,459 combat Readiness procedure 216 00:10:52,130 --> 00:10:49,800 when the ship is in danger you know when 217 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:52,140 there is something unknown something I 218 00:10:56,509 --> 00:10:54,000 mentioned in the interviews that I did 219 00:10:58,610 --> 00:10:56,519 with Dave and if I go off tangent need 220 00:11:01,310 --> 00:10:58,620 to come back I I'd appreciate the help 221 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:01,320 yeah but something I had mentioned uh to 222 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:03,360 Dave is that we do darkened ship which 223 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:06,060 isn't I'm sure it's not classified but 224 00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:09,240 it's it's that you know All Ships do 225 00:11:13,130 --> 00:11:11,279 this we're all afraid of somebody 226 00:11:14,990 --> 00:11:13,140 noticing Us in the middle of the ocean 227 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:15,000 and I'd always ask myself this 228 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:17,040 philosophical questions like what is the 229 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:18,660 greatest Navy in the world afraid of in 230 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:19,980 the middle of the ocean 231 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:22,040 yeah you know 232 00:11:28,069 --> 00:11:25,440 pre-uss coal maybe I don't know but I it 233 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:28,079 it had always you know I had always 234 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:30,360 wondered you know what is it that we're 235 00:11:36,110 --> 00:11:33,180 afraid of what is it that's unknown 70 236 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:36,120 of this world is ocean you know right 237 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:38,880 and we really know nothing about it you 238 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:42,000 know right but we do have the strongest 239 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:44,339 Navy in the world at the same time I 240 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:46,920 don't know yeah um 241 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:50,040 so the officers seem like they're having 242 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:51,420 a party 243 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:54,360 and the bosom mates seem like they're 244 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,360 having a mental breakdown you know this 245 00:12:01,910 --> 00:11:59,040 is what I'm observing you know what I 246 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:01,920 mean half the bridge seems like they're 247 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:04,380 uh freaking out and the other half seems 248 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:07,680 it's way too calm and I might fall into 249 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:10,260 the category of 250 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:13,860 um somebody that was too calm you know 251 00:12:18,949 --> 00:12:16,440 what I mean like in retrospect in 252 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:18,959 retrospect like thinking about it again 253 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:21,180 like I can say okay it was because of 254 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:23,820 the brainwashing oh it's because of this 255 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:26,220 oh it's because I wasn't trying to draw 256 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:29,040 attention to myself but at the same time 257 00:12:33,889 --> 00:12:31,620 it's like why the hell was I so calm 258 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:33,899 hmm no but you were kind of following 259 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:36,480 like you said the the brainwashing they 260 00:12:41,150 --> 00:12:38,399 do is you know you kind of look to your 261 00:12:43,009 --> 00:12:41,160 superiors for any type of reaction 262 00:12:44,329 --> 00:12:43,019 aren't you I mean isn't that what part 263 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:44,339 of it is 264 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:46,860 I yeah totally my relationship with 265 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:48,000 authority was completely different 266 00:12:50,990 --> 00:12:49,560 before I went into the military as 267 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:51,000 opposed to after I went into the 268 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:53,160 military and my relationship now which 269 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,940 is you know I I'm very defiant against 270 00:13:01,009 --> 00:12:58,800 the authority at this stage of my life 271 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:01,019 which I think is very healthy it's the 272 00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:03,000 American way 273 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:03,740 um 274 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:09,660 depiction that I found that is that the 275 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:12,060 more of the correct yes yes 276 00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:14,220 this is was in the Sun the publication 277 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:17,040 the Sun and uh it does look like the sun 278 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:19,800 and I think I mentioned to you off 279 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:21,300 um and 280 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:24,060 um off camera uh before the show started 281 00:13:30,889 --> 00:13:27,000 that we had someone in the military on a 282 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:30,899 while back uh Kevin Day nope 283 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:34,440 um boy his name is his slipping uh 284 00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:37,320 escaping me right now uh Mario Mario 285 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:40,320 woods and if this was over a nuclear 286 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:42,480 facility and he said it looked like a 287 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:44,100 large Sun 288 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:46,260 you know was right over uh right over 289 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:50,040 the the weapons uh so it's it's really 290 00:13:54,410 --> 00:13:52,620 was really something and he had missing 291 00:13:56,329 --> 00:13:54,420 time and all that and that's another 292 00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:56,339 thing of course I'm gonna ask well 293 00:13:59,930 --> 00:13:57,899 that's what I wonder about Derek Smith 294 00:14:02,269 --> 00:13:59,940 who was he was one of the Bosa mates 295 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:02,279 that's included in my article the 296 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:05,820 original article and also have been um 297 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:09,240 interview okay I I I don't want to say I 298 00:14:13,009 --> 00:14:10,860 don't think Dave actually did the 299 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:13,019 interview with Derek I know he did an 300 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:15,660 interview with Patrick Gokey 301 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:18,720 um I think Dave used an interview that I 302 00:14:25,009 --> 00:14:22,380 had done with Derek but you know Derek's 303 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:25,019 experience is so short that I'm 304 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:27,060 wondering because my experience is so 305 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,720 long how you know like and it's the same 306 00:14:34,730 --> 00:14:32,399 thing with Patrick Patrick sees it 307 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:34,740 moving I don't see it moving you know 308 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:37,260 like uh but I trust these guys I worked 309 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,420 with Patrick for years and he's one of 310 00:14:44,569 --> 00:14:41,279 the few people I I you know and I I 311 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,579 trust Derek too they they're not and 312 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:46,800 they're they Derek was definitely one of 313 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:49,440 the people that was pressuring me to to 314 00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:52,440 write about this because 315 00:14:56,810 --> 00:14:54,300 um man we had gone through this 316 00:14:59,329 --> 00:14:56,820 experience and then the reflection 317 00:15:01,689 --> 00:14:59,339 process about the experience is actually 318 00:15:05,449 --> 00:15:01,699 the thing right because 319 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:05,459 yes the experience is weird and the 320 00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:08,459 experience the experiencers are behaving 321 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:11,100 weird but what happens to me over 15 322 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:13,500 years is I think about it think about it 323 00:15:18,889 --> 00:15:16,320 as if it was I had taken some sort of 324 00:15:21,410 --> 00:15:18,899 psychedelic some sort of psychedelic and 325 00:15:23,269 --> 00:15:21,420 I was reflecting on the experiences I 326 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:23,279 had on the Psychedelic the thing is 327 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:24,600 you're not allowed to do drugs in the 328 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,600 military you know 329 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:30,240 but okay so this this thing the people 330 00:15:36,170 --> 00:15:33,720 you're witnessing this with 331 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:36,180 um outside you're are you're outside or 332 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:37,560 you're inside 333 00:15:43,790 --> 00:15:41,160 I'm yeah I'm inside I'm inside uh okay 334 00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:43,800 there's bulletproof glass and you know 335 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:46,199 you've if you've seen the movie Top Gun 336 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:49,199 this is a Top Gun situation the Top Gun 337 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:51,660 Flight uh the flight bridge is right 338 00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:53,180 above us 339 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:57,420 uh we are right is that a picture of the 340 00:16:01,129 --> 00:15:58,560 Reagan 341 00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:01,139 uh well I I Googled it I was hoping it 342 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:03,120 was I know it's isn't it number 76. I 343 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:04,860 think that is the Reagan I I think 344 00:16:10,189 --> 00:16:07,199 that's the Reagan in um The Straits of 345 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:10,199 Magellan which I navigated it's one of 346 00:16:17,449 --> 00:16:13,260 my claims claims to fame which is like 347 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,459 you uh I think it was the first time a 348 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:19,440 large aircraft carrier like that had 349 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:22,860 ever traversed a small area like that 350 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:25,500 and it was a navigation detail was like 351 00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,540 30 hours long you know and uh 352 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,639 wow that must have been beautiful 353 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:34,800 too to go through there 354 00:16:40,009 --> 00:16:37,500 um so yeah I mean the reaction of the 355 00:16:41,329 --> 00:16:40,019 people this is this is what I when I 356 00:16:44,329 --> 00:16:41,339 listened to another interview that you 357 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,339 did with Dave Beatty that was my 358 00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:46,800 takeaway of the strangeness of this 359 00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,620 thing is the reactions and like there's 360 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:52,079 really nothing going on in your 361 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:53,160 launching 362 00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:56,040 uh you know your caterpillar catapulting 363 00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,620 these uh what are they f-18s or what 364 00:17:03,610 --> 00:17:00,079 were they at that time 365 00:17:05,929 --> 00:17:03,620 uh super Hornets 366 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:05,939 f-22s22s are raptors sorry 367 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:06,980 yeah 368 00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:12,000 been a while but it was the the ship was 369 00:17:17,449 --> 00:17:14,280 built to outfit the the Super Hornet 370 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:17,459 which was the the newest the newest in 371 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:19,079 the Arsenal for the military-industrial 372 00:17:23,329 --> 00:17:21,660 complex if you can yeah if you can guess 373 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,339 what my political leanings lie 374 00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:25,199 [Laughter] 375 00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:27,600 so these things are are being launched 376 00:17:33,409 --> 00:17:30,840 and the thing is just sitting there 377 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,419 um which is very I mean the the fact 378 00:17:38,750 --> 00:17:36,000 that you were launching the the uh 379 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:38,760 uh these Jets off of that thing while 380 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:41,820 this thing was sitting there is battling 381 00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,880 and uh you know I mean and and why 382 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:46,559 you're not on some type of alert 383 00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:49,380 situation and why no one's talking about 384 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,539 it why none of the officers are talking 385 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,520 about that that's we're talking about it 386 00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:55,919 afterwards one of the things I mentioned 387 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,559 in Dave's in Dave's uh interview was 388 00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:00,000 that 389 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,860 um the bull uh who was the senior uh 390 00:18:09,409 --> 00:18:07,200 when I started writing about it uh he 391 00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:09,419 was the senior the senior commission to 392 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:11,220 officer the lowest ranking senior 393 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:13,140 commissioned officer and it's kind of 394 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:14,820 they they wear a cowboy hat it's 395 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:17,520 ceremonial but he was on watch that 396 00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:21,480 night and I asked him what happened in 397 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:23,880 the galley in the officers Galley where 398 00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:26,700 they ate the day after and he's like 399 00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:30,179 nothing they didn't give a sorry 400 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:32,700 they didn't they did not care they did 401 00:18:39,650 --> 00:18:36,539 not care I'll try to watch my language 402 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:39,660 that's all right so yeah that you know 403 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:41,640 that's just I just I'm just totally 404 00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:44,460 baffled by by that part of it because I 405 00:18:49,789 --> 00:18:46,860 mean to me I just I just see this thing 406 00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:49,799 was actually pacing along with you right 407 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:51,900 you're going about other things are like 408 00:18:59,650 --> 00:18:55,080 this in our in our world where there are 409 00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:03,529 cumulatively ignore that they they just 410 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:05,220 things happen they're like I don't know 411 00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,860 what that was I don't care it was just 412 00:19:12,409 --> 00:19:10,320 like we'll chalk it up to you know 413 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:12,419 whatever you know like I well you know 414 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:14,220 it's a it's kind of like a sheep 415 00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:17,880 mentality in a way because if if uh like 416 00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:19,500 people looking at each other for 417 00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:22,740 reactions and uh if the officers are 418 00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:24,600 acting like it's no big deal that's 419 00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:27,299 going to be contagious as well you know 420 00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:28,860 unless I wasn't trying to make myself 421 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:30,840 ridiculous either 422 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,320 hmm you know not to say that the UFO 423 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:36,840 research is ridiculous you know it's 424 00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:42,950 once you put yourself into that Arena 425 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,700 might make it harder to go into other 426 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,919 things and I think that's the you know 427 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,080 that's how people think about it and 428 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,760 it's sad that it people do think about 429 00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:55,679 it that way 430 00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:57,299 um but 431 00:20:01,070 --> 00:19:59,100 um 432 00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:01,080 I don't know Dostoevsky has a story 433 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:03,720 called The Dream of a ridiculous man you 434 00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:07,140 know and it's this idea that somebody 435 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,140 can have this ridiculous dream of a 436 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:12,720 perfect world but 437 00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:15,419 um when they 438 00:20:18,529 --> 00:20:16,380 um 439 00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:18,539 they can't actually make it happen in 440 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,960 reality you know it's kind of like these 441 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:24,240 uh so I've gotten to listen to a bunch 442 00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:26,760 of your podcasts and I got to listen to 443 00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:29,820 a couple of the Jack valet ones uh and 444 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:32,100 um you know he was talking about his 445 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:34,380 books and he's like these things are 446 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:37,500 real we know these things are real and 447 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:40,020 you know it's like this idea of real 448 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:41,700 might be the problem 449 00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:44,760 you know there there might be a category 450 00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:48,000 of things that exist in between real or 451 00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:52,020 unreal or even beyond that you know like 452 00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,679 I guessed this word's Supernatural is so 453 00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,559 kitschy you know but I guess the word is 454 00:21:03,409 --> 00:21:00,480 Supernatural and that's the word we've 455 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,419 been using uh forever 456 00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:06,720 I don't know yeah yeah no yeah I think 457 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,020 one of the things that valet does 458 00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:11,760 uh 459 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,799 which I agree totally is that you know 460 00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:19,200 we may not even understand what we're 461 00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,660 looking at if if you know I mean we may 462 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,940 not even be able to understand 463 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:26,880 what these things are some of them are 464 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:29,159 and they all could be different you know 465 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:31,799 different things but I do think that 466 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,200 there is you know then the way that they 467 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:36,600 move regardless of whether they're cigar 468 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:40,200 shaped or uh saucer shaped or whatever 469 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:44,520 it's it's in the way that they move that 470 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:48,240 it uh that is the the similarity and 471 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:50,820 that is the thing that makes us feel 472 00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:54,600 something you know that uh this other 473 00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:57,000 worldly feeling where where we're 474 00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:59,159 convinced that that can't be from here 475 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,780 you know 476 00:22:04,130 --> 00:22:02,400 um 477 00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:04,140 but I don't that could be some sort of 478 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:07,080 trickster mechanism too you know it's 479 00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:09,059 like I'm pretty sure the experience that 480 00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:10,200 I had 481 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,140 wasn't a trick you know what I mean like 482 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:15,120 but 483 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:15,960 um 484 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,360 I don't know it's it's there there might 485 00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:21,360 be again this in this uh divide between 486 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:24,419 real and unreal there might also be this 487 00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,460 this thing between trick and Miracle 488 00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:28,980 right so 489 00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:31,020 um I've always I started thinking about 490 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,000 this in terms of another philosophy 491 00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:35,580 experiment that you have say 492 00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:37,559 manufactured crop circles these 493 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,059 fraudsters decide that they're going to 494 00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:41,580 manufacture circles and then they're 495 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:45,059 going to convince a bunch of UFO 496 00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,200 enthusiasts that these uh that these are 497 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,140 real you know and the UFO enthusiasts 498 00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:53,760 believe that they're real and they come 499 00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,000 and then later the fraudsters they go in 500 00:23:02,570 --> 00:22:59,400 the papers and they say haha we tricked 501 00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:02,580 them blah blah blah and yet the UFO 502 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,880 enthusiasts are like you know still 503 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:08,640 won't believe it but what if the whole 504 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,700 interaction between the enthusiasts and 505 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:14,640 the fraudsters is contact of some sort 506 00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:17,340 you know that these two groups are being 507 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:22,440 compelled by some Force you know but I 508 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,820 thought about this in terms of the 509 00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:25,679 Philadelphia Experiment because that's a 510 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:29,159 classical example of a hoax but at the 511 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,080 same time it's like 512 00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,080 I don't know in my studies there's no 513 00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:36,299 such thing as a complete hoax 514 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,299 you know everything comes from somewhere 515 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,220 um but anyway going back to this 516 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:43,440 specific experience we had talked about 517 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:46,200 it for years me and Patrick actually 518 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,919 ended up working together uh with uh on 519 00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:52,320 when Occupy Wall Street started because 520 00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,380 I was going to school in New York and it 521 00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:57,539 seemed like our movement and our time 522 00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:00,900 and I can't say that seeing you this UAP 523 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,480 encounter didn't influence all of that 524 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:05,039 and didn't because that was pretty 525 00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,500 arbitrary before I went into the 526 00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,080 military I didn't care about it you know 527 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,159 uh all of these things I was uh you know 528 00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,980 Civics you know I I was I was late to 529 00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:20,159 the T I was late to the class for civics 530 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,120 you know like I I there's something 531 00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,100 great about the American classroom where 532 00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:27,840 you can get that lesson sometimes if you 533 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,880 have a good professor a good teacher 534 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,740 somewhere along the way that will teach 535 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,840 you the importance importance of civics 536 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:36,659 but I was 32 before I understood the 537 00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:39,240 importance of civics even you even after 538 00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:41,159 I had served you know 539 00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:42,840 hmm 540 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:45,299 so there were there were people were 541 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:47,159 there other people saying that they saw 542 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:50,460 other orbs that were moving did I did I 543 00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,900 hear that 544 00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,480 I think I was mistaken in the interview 545 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:57,059 in uh in my reading because 546 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:01,679 um Patrick has sent me a write-up of 547 00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:04,140 um his encounter and I had just copy and 548 00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,059 pasted it and put it into my article and 549 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,880 I had Mis I think I had misread it I had 550 00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:11,460 misread it that he saw more than one orb 551 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:14,820 he had seen the same he had seen the 552 00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:17,280 same orb in different positions on the 553 00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:19,799 ship because the way that the Bosa mates 554 00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,679 worked is they they rotated positions 555 00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,779 they're trained Lookouts and this is 556 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:26,760 something that your listeners should 557 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,700 probably know too everybody in these 558 00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,679 positions is 559 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:34,799 has had extensive trainings on how to 560 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,500 spot different kinds of aircraft 561 00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:38,760 especially the Lookouts because that's 562 00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:42,179 their job and how to how to identify how 563 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:45,480 to tell how far away they are and 564 00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:46,080 um 565 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:48,419 yeah uh 566 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,799 yeah so this isn't this isn't like a a a 567 00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:55,320 civilian sighting so to speak this is 568 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,700 their job 569 00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:59,520 now did anyone try to look I know you 570 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:01,080 have those I forget what they call them 571 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,000 big eyes or something like that 572 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,400 whatever those really powerful 573 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,520 binoculars did anyone try I believe I 574 00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,320 believe Derek uh looked through the big 575 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,520 eyes 576 00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:13,679 and he looked at this object 577 00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,539 I think he tried I think they I think 578 00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:17,159 they tried I don't know that they saw 579 00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:20,340 anything uh uh specific through the the 580 00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:23,700 big eyes that they had hadn't seen with 581 00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,820 uh again this thing is like right on top 582 00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:29,159 of us you don't need the big eyes to see 583 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:29,940 it 584 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:34,320 hmm wow and how many people would you 585 00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,169 uh you know I'd I had uh been a little I 586 00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,700 had exaggerated a little in my interview 587 00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:47,039 with Dave I'd said like a thousand I 588 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,900 think I was feeling a little a little 589 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,820 ornery definitely a couple hundred 590 00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:53,580 definitely a couple hundred you know 591 00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:55,400 um 592 00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,860 you know the there's def there's at 593 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:00,900 least 30 people 594 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,320 uh to 45 people working between the two 595 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,000 different Bridge teams whether it's 596 00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:08,940 airops in the navigation detail you know 597 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,360 there's two floors so you know about 15 598 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,520 to 20 people on each floor and then you 599 00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,220 have the flight deck which is all um 600 00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:19,740 different colored shirts based on what 601 00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,480 they do whether it's fuel or this or 602 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,240 that and you know so you need in order 603 00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:26,820 to conduct flight operations you need a 604 00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:32,510 you know 605 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,020 now what about 606 00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,480 um there would be no way to find out if 607 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:38,220 this thing ever showed up on radar or 608 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,620 anything like that right the radar is 609 00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:42,840 right next to me I didn't see it 610 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:45,659 so my charge table is my chart table and 611 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:48,179 then right next to me is the the bull 612 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,179 who who I'd mentioned before and he's 613 00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:53,760 working with operations he's but he's 614 00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,940 aware of it right so they're they're not 615 00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,980 seeing it on radar they're not seeing it 616 00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:00,419 on radar but the fact that they're not 617 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,860 seeing on radar doesn't mean anything 618 00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,740 because it's right on top of us not only 619 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:07,020 is it right on top of us I have no idea 620 00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:08,700 when it got there 621 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:12,779 you know what I mean like uh 622 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:15,900 yeah yeah nothing if anything would be I 623 00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,360 don't think anything that close to us is 624 00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,220 going to show up on radar 625 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,740 oh Jesus I never thought about this I 626 00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,600 don't I'm not a I'm not a you know that 627 00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:27,179 wasn't my job that wasn't my job but I 628 00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:28,860 don't I don't think so 629 00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,080 well what was the buzz like after I 630 00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,000 talked to you know people that were on 631 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,659 the the uh Princeton and the Nimitz and 632 00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:38,880 you know there was a lot of Buzz going 633 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:40,980 on about it you know a lot of teasing 634 00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:43,500 and stuff like that but you know to say 635 00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,179 David fraver I guess they were teasing 636 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,059 him a bit but uh but what was that like 637 00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360 afterwards I think I remember fraber 638 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,279 from navigation details I think his 639 00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,440 Squadron was with us for a while I I 640 00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:57,720 can't say that for sure but I pretty 641 00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,400 sure I remember because I used to sit in 642 00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:02,159 navigation details and I remember I 643 00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:04,140 remember his face 644 00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:06,779 um giving speeches about what the I 645 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,500 think the Black Aces is that what it was 646 00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,720 one of the aces but 647 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:14,520 um 648 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,880 like I said so I I can gauge the officer 649 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,580 reaction based on what the bull told me 650 00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,039 and that was they didn't really talk 651 00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:25,919 about it at all complete ignoring like 652 00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,779 the reaction while I was seeing these 653 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,059 guys on the bridge was having a good 654 00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,399 time looking at it I think they were 655 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,220 looking at it and then 656 00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,500 um and then he said that in the galley 657 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,539 afterwards nobody really talked about it 658 00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,700 because nobody's in a hurry to make 659 00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:44,399 themselves ridiculous you know 660 00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,190 which is sad 661 00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:51,779 yeah but well in the in the enlisted in 662 00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:54,840 the enlisted uh Spectrum it's a little 663 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,000 different there's there's rumors flying 664 00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,760 around you know what I mean like 665 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:02,220 um there's people that are lying there's 666 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,899 people that are saying that they saw it 667 00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:05,640 and they didn't see it they they were 668 00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:07,860 nowhere they were they weren't on you 669 00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,240 know 670 00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:10,559 um 671 00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:13,260 yeah it's it's strange world we live in 672 00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,740 you know well that you know they have 673 00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,299 all the things that happen but I think 674 00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,600 valet talks about it in in his book when 675 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,640 he's talking about the um the 676 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,640 Philadelphia Experiment of how rumors 677 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,760 move on ships and I found that to be 678 00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,140 something that really spoke to me 679 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:33,419 because 680 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:34,860 um you could really do a scientific 681 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,320 study for it in studying fiction the 682 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,320 ship is a representation for society you 683 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:42,059 know anytime a writer writes about the 684 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:43,740 ship what he's doing is writing about 685 00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:46,260 Society you know he's making a statement 686 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:48,120 even if he doesn't know that he's making 687 00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,260 a statement 688 00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:51,779 yeah uh here's a Gerald there's a 689 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:54,299 question did it make any noise I know 690 00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,520 you were on the inside but I I don't 691 00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:58,020 know if anyone on the outside or 692 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,620 anything with our loud with our loud uh 693 00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,840 super Hornets again I'm gonna 694 00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,340 um do everything in relation to the 695 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,679 super hornets and 696 00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:09,600 um those are those things are loud as 697 00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,940 hell so even if it made a noise we 698 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,580 wouldn't have heard it right and what 699 00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:15,919 about well 700 00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:19,860 dies is I I think it's it was about the 701 00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:21,720 size of the Super Hornet without the 702 00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,679 wings 703 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:24,419 if we were to take the Super Hornet 704 00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:26,820 without the wings that's that's my 705 00:31:35,169 --> 00:31:29,399 approximity and that's like 40 50 feet 706 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,870 uh 40 50 feet yeah I think that's I 707 00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,500 think that's that's fair 708 00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:42,600 yeah I mean I'm just throwing the number 709 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:43,799 out there I don't really you know I 710 00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,700 don't really know but um so what what 711 00:31:51,649 --> 00:31:49,620 was the ending of this thing do you 712 00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,659 happen to know did someone see Advantage 713 00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:53,640 all of a sudden or it was there your 714 00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:55,860 entire watch did you ever speak to 715 00:31:59,889 --> 00:31:58,919 anyone well the person relieving you how 716 00:32:03,409 --> 00:31:59,899 did that 717 00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,419 that's the sad thing is knowing that 718 00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,340 you're the kind of person that left 719 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:07,799 watch without knowing because you were 720 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:09,960 tired you know what I mean I was working 721 00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,340 16 hour days but like I had this sinking 722 00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:17,100 feeling as I was walking down to my rack 723 00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,039 somebody had relieved me and kind of the 724 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:22,679 same in the same kind of relief process 725 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:25,820 that I got what is that I don't know 726 00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:28,860 does the officer of the deck know I 727 00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:33,360 don't know you know like wow and yeah I 728 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,539 mean but so so but I mean the officer of 729 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,100 on the deck 730 00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:40,440 someone had to tell the officer on the 731 00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:43,080 deck right I mean that's just a given or 732 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,520 whose job is it to tell the 733 00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:46,380 opportunities waking up the captain 734 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,500 that's the Endeavor right nobody cares 735 00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,360 about the officer of the debt really the 736 00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,580 officer of the deck is some lower level 737 00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,700 department head it's should we wake the 738 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,799 captain again it's like the general 739 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,720 quarters the general quarters question 740 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,000 why didn't we call General quarters well 741 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:04,559 first we would have had the Wake the 742 00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:07,260 captain you know and nobody wants to 743 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:08,520 wake the captain to tell him that 744 00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,500 there's a UFO you know wow 745 00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,760 he's one of the ones that doesn't see it 746 00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:16,919 what if it's gone by the time he gets 747 00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:18,860 there 748 00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:22,980 but but what if he he hears about well 749 00:33:29,049 --> 00:33:25,019 you you said it didn't get entered in 750 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,059 the line I should I should contact him 751 00:33:33,649 --> 00:33:31,320 by the way yeah you should now and see 752 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,659 what happens but um 753 00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,240 if it's not in the logbook 754 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,399 um so no it's possible that no one said 755 00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,100 anything to him the next day 756 00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,640 I really doubt anybody had the coneys to 757 00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:46,080 do that 758 00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:48,659 this is a part this is the part of the 759 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,720 brainwashing that's really profound I I 760 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,480 had a I I'm a pretty confident person 761 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,640 and I I've done a lot of public speaking 762 00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,740 but you know 763 00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:01,320 performing in front of the captain 764 00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,039 after you went through this boot camp 765 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:08,099 where they teach you about honor and 766 00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,720 discipline and all that stuff and 767 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,159 suddenly you're face to face with the 768 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:13,500 captain no matter who you are 769 00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:15,480 no matter who you are you get a little 770 00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,919 shaken 771 00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:19,679 so I can understand why nobody wanted to 772 00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,169 you know I didn't want to tell the 773 00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:29,159 captain one time they wanted me to do a 774 00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,339 PMS preventive maintenance system and I 775 00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,839 felt like something wasn't quite right 776 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:36,179 and I just didn't want to do it you know 777 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:37,740 what I mean I didn't want to be the one 778 00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,440 to present the information in some sort 779 00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,179 of you know 780 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,879 but but wouldn't you think that like if 781 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,040 he found out like the next day hey why 782 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,080 didn't you wake me up would could that 783 00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:51,000 be a possibility could that be that a 784 00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:58,730 the first time I had ever 785 00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:02,339 really encountered the 786 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:03,560 the the the the 787 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,900 vernacular of what are you smoking was 788 00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,119 when I talked to a recruiter you know 789 00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,339 what I mean he tried to pass me the fake 790 00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,980 joint you know like and it was it was 791 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,500 that's how military people are you know 792 00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:19,079 what I mean if it's not tangible and 793 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:23,640 it's not You Know The Enemy then again 794 00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:27,060 you have to ask yourself if the the 795 00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:27,300 [Music] 796 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:28,380 um 797 00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:29,780 the the the 798 00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,579 policy of ignoring these things is 799 00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:34,619 better than shooting at them 800 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:35,700 yeah 801 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,700 you know because I think what I've heard 802 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:41,220 is that in various War situations 803 00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,020 they're they're showing up on different 804 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:45,359 battlefields in the world and people are 805 00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:47,820 shooting at them and again this is Word 806 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,520 of Mouth from Jeremy Corbell you know 807 00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:53,520 but uh it's not like I don't know who 808 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,320 knows I don't know what to believe what 809 00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,720 not to believe my view in terms of 810 00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:00,359 intelligence is I know what I saw right 811 00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:03,480 but I know that there is information and 812 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,700 then there's disinformation and they're 813 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:07,920 really you're hard pressed to find any 814 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,440 information and you you have to decide 815 00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:13,260 on in the moment which you're being 816 00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,940 presented with whether even this 817 00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,099 experience is it information is it 818 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:19,079 disinformation or is it misinformation 819 00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:23,640 even like the the I don't know and then 820 00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,180 the the idea of a of the government 821 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,480 staging a fake UFO Invasion always comes 822 00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,079 up into the uh as a as a justification 823 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,060 for war always comes into the pipelines 824 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:37,920 as well so 825 00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:38,780 um 826 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,640 so uh this we talked about this earlier 827 00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,740 and uh Judy wanted to know where the 828 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,359 Jets landing and taking off while the 829 00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,280 Orbit's present and I believe that that 830 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:50,579 was exactly the case right yes 831 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,680 and yeah that is one of the most 832 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,680 baffling parts to me it just seems like 833 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,260 the possibility of it being a danger you 834 00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:00,180 know I'm sure if it reacted in some type 835 00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:02,520 of aggressive way everything would have 836 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,579 changed immediately I would imagine 837 00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:08,400 I mean I don't didn't see any armaments 838 00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:11,420 on it you know me walking away from this 839 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,339 and I mean I've had a lot of reflection 840 00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,520 on it is it's like if these if these 841 00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:20,400 things wanted to be a danger to us we'd 842 00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,700 probably be screwed yeah and I think 843 00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:25,500 they've been in our history for a long 844 00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,500 time with Foo Fighters and whatnot you 845 00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:30,420 know and um 846 00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,280 yeah I think they're like me I think 847 00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:37,490 well you know I mean that there's 848 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,300 there's something to that you know I 849 00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,420 mean when they have uh you know disarmed 850 00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:45,780 uh warheads and all the way back in 1962 851 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,300 I think it was yeah you know really 852 00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,400 makes you wonder about all that so 853 00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,440 that's very very much a possibility now 854 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:53,820 I'm going to shift gears a little bit 855 00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:56,640 because uh times been flying by here and 856 00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:03,230 um encounter when you're walking your 857 00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,599 dogs how did what happened at that point 858 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:08,700 so unless there's anything unless 859 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:10,020 there's anything else you want to wrap 860 00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,079 up on this particular uh this particular 861 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:17,040 sighting uh no no I mean 862 00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,140 um 863 00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:22,500 I have a yeah I have a sub stack in 864 00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:26,099 which there's a uh there's a an auto 865 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,339 fiction account of the story if your 866 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,440 listeners would like to check it out 867 00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,359 yeah okay I can link that in the show 868 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,579 notes everyone so I'll be happy to do 869 00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,680 that and you know that's uh I'm sure you 870 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:39,599 know that's what Kevin day did as well 871 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,140 he wrote a fiction you know I I want to 872 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:45,420 read I want to read I I listened to your 873 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,160 interview with Kevin Day specifically 874 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:49,500 and I think maybe and this is the 875 00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,380 conclusion that I came to maybe what 876 00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:54,780 we're left with is you know the fiction 877 00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,079 you know and and how we process it you 878 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,240 know that I'm not a big I'm not a big 879 00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,760 data person you know I'm not sure that 880 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,339 an accumulation of data is going to get 881 00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,160 us closer to understanding what it is 882 00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:10,980 that we're dealing with you know or it's 883 00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:13,800 such a hurry to take it apart figure out 884 00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,640 how it works you know and not why it 885 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,260 works you know 886 00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,560 anyway we can move on to 2015. 887 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:24,420 so 888 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,859 um I moved to Detroit to work in 889 00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,320 renewable energy why I know that the 890 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,200 subject of uaps is similar to the 891 00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:34,560 subject of renewable energy and 892 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,339 um 893 00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:38,160 one night I was uh hanging out with a 894 00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:39,540 friend of mine it was one o'clock in the 895 00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,680 morning and we were in class in Michigan 896 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,339 and 897 00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:46,500 we're just walking around having a good 898 00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:47,339 time 899 00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,839 and 900 00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:50,099 um 901 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:53,420 suddenly we see about 30 of these things 902 00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:57,000 and now are they 30 I'm not sure that 903 00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:59,400 there are 30 little Sons you know we're 904 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:01,140 further away than I would have been on 905 00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:04,500 the ship but they're like above people's 906 00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,420 houses 907 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:07,920 and their 908 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:10,260 when I I wrote in my sub stack about 909 00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:11,880 that they're engaged in a janitorial 910 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:15,359 function it's that they 911 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,160 you know what it looks like when 912 00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,380 something is exploring and it hasn't 913 00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:21,660 been somewhere before as opposed to 914 00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,599 something that is engaged in something 915 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,960 routine that it engages with on a 916 00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,180 regular basis the movement of these 917 00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,000 things over people's houses seemed very 918 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:36,420 routine you know again in the way that 919 00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,760 they moved and the way that they moved 920 00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:41,400 was again this kind of feeling of the 921 00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,780 other worldly 922 00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:44,940 you know and again I'm 923 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,099 uh my my friend and I saw it with we um 924 00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520 first we see these things and then at 925 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:55,200 some point I'm sure we've made contact 926 00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,180 because one of these things is following 927 00:41:02,329 --> 00:40:59,760 us to his house at least this is my 928 00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,339 perception of it we go to his house and 929 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,599 we're sitting out there and we're 930 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,640 staring at it and there's definitely a 931 00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,440 conclusion to this encounter where it 932 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,500 just leaves you know but like we try to 933 00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:12,900 wake up his wife she doesn't care she 934 00:41:18,670 --> 00:41:14,520 doesn't want to see it she's like you 935 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:18,680 have what I'm going back to sleep 936 00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,540 but you know the day afterwards I'm like 937 00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,720 oh my God so I have to at least in this 938 00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:26,820 situation I have a friend there with me 939 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,940 and I was like did we just see what I 940 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,880 thought we just saw and he's like yes 941 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:34,560 that was real 942 00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,200 oh my God you know I didn't have that in 943 00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:42,359 the I didn't have that on the on the 944 00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,940 Reagan because you're almost afraid to 945 00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:48,000 talk about it you know 946 00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,200 but like you know but again I had this 947 00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:55,140 experience with them where he's like 948 00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:58,020 um this feeling of the other worldly 949 00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,660 that I've been carrying with me ever 950 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,599 since it just seemed to kind of 951 00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:05,820 dissipate from him very quickly where 952 00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:08,520 he's like oh the next day it's it's all 953 00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:10,619 about how am I going to pay my bills how 954 00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:12,599 am I going to meet ends meet which is 955 00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,339 what all people have to work you know 956 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,940 the things that we all deal with but to 957 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,160 me that feeling of the other worldly is 958 00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,380 like some sort of high you know where 959 00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:24,240 you're like 960 00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,540 um suddenly impacted almost like 961 00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:29,880 um profoundly 962 00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:32,700 you know but again I'm not sure that 963 00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:34,200 there isn't some sort of trickster 964 00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:37,020 mechanism at play here as well you know 965 00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:38,099 that 966 00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:44,839 experience 967 00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,339 the Reagan I was intoxicated too just in 968 00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:52,619 the opposite way it was the ultimate 969 00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,880 sobriety that's I mean I was so calm why 970 00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:59,099 you know I'd had a dream 971 00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,780 when I went back to my mom's house 972 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,180 before I met and almost a prophetic 973 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:05,400 dream before I went back to before I 974 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,859 moved to Detroit I stopped at my mom's 975 00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,500 house and I this Vivid Vivid dream you 976 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,359 know how you have those dreams and you 977 00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:14,280 just remember them forever because 978 00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:16,200 they're so vivid so I walked out my 979 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,099 mom's backyard and I see a miniature UFO 980 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,319 and you know it's a very classical 981 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:25,020 miniature UFO but I have the right 982 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:28,260 reaction I you know when you know you 983 00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,619 you have when you're a child and you 984 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,079 want to scream but you can't you know 985 00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:36,420 what I mean that is the right reaction 986 00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,690 in our human instinct right like that so 987 00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,220 why in one Instinct am I ultimately 988 00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:49,500 sober and the other instant I'm 989 00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:51,720 ultimately Intoxicated by these things 990 00:43:57,230 --> 00:43:54,300 you know like again these are things 991 00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,240 that I've been reflecting on for years I 992 00:44:03,609 --> 00:43:59,880 definitely think 993 00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:03,619 um maybe that there there is a 994 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:07,260 phenomenon at play that we 995 00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:08,940 in our 996 00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:14,119 uh 997 00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:21,000 necessarily understand it 998 00:44:25,809 --> 00:44:23,780 you know and well maybe we're left with 999 00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,819 fictionalizing it mythology 1000 00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,319 mythologizing it I don't know I don't 1001 00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:30,780 want to go against the the hard science 1002 00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:33,960 people that are looking for hard data so 1003 00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:37,020 they can break the rules of physics you 1004 00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:40,500 know but I I think it's important to 1005 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,780 embrace a kind of meditative path where 1006 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:44,400 you're actually thinking about what 1007 00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:47,160 you're getting yourself into in these in 1008 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,079 these processes I think in our initial 1009 00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:50,880 interviews we had talked about Tommy 1010 00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,880 knockers which when you when I uh listen 1011 00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:55,920 to your interviews with Kevin day that 1012 00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,140 really the Tami knockers idea really 1013 00:45:01,790 --> 00:45:00,780 came into play for me again I'm like you 1014 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:01,800 know 1015 00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:05,700 Tommyknockers were when this thing was 1016 00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,380 buried under the ground right for 1017 00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,540 thousands of years or millions of years 1018 00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,579 or something or am I thinking of I read 1019 00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:14,160 the book but it was so long ago yeah I 1020 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,720 read it I read it when I was in Middle 1021 00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:18,480 School as well but essentially it deals 1022 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,480 with so the the the benefit of of a 1023 00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:23,460 classical education is one of the first 1024 00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,980 things that my professor told me is that 1025 00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,500 before the Renaissance nobody had their 1026 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:30,900 own ideas all ideas either came from 1027 00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:33,540 Muses or they came from Gods this idea 1028 00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:36,300 that this modern idea that we have an 1029 00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:40,260 individual idea is an invention you know 1030 00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:42,920 like it's not a part of the 1031 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,720 it's not a part of the human story you 1032 00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:47,520 know we've Rewritten the human story 1033 00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:51,420 where we have our own ideas and we uh 1034 00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,300 the whole idea of intellectual property 1035 00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:57,839 is based on this this uh Renaissance 1036 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,640 idea of ownership of things right just 1037 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,920 so 1038 00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,720 in terms of what Stephen King is getting 1039 00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,700 at is that these people are getting 1040 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,000 ideas for these inventions and all the 1041 00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,000 inventions are turning into these 1042 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,180 torture devices oh that's right okay all 1043 00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,400 right all right but he did have he did 1044 00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,800 have a book that I read a long time ago 1045 00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:25,200 where this they they found this there 1046 00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,240 was a UFO that had crashed and it was 1047 00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,240 down inside the earth uh down below this 1048 00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,920 property and I was I forget what that 1049 00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:34,200 was called but I want to go back to your 1050 00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,339 sighting though 1051 00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:37,500 um it just 1052 00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:39,480 can you describe I'm trying to figure 1053 00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,579 out what you mean exactly like it seemed 1054 00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:42,839 like whatever they were doing was 1055 00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:46,740 routine and like they were almost like 1056 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:49,980 uh janitorial or something like that and 1057 00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:52,140 what what exactly do you mean by what 1058 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:53,700 were you observing that made you feel 1059 00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,190 well 1060 00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,480 I was observing these things floating 1061 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:05,760 over people's houses I'm not saying that 1062 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,339 they were making any kind of contact 1063 00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:10,319 with people's houses because I don't 1064 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:13,079 know I know that one of them you know 1065 00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:16,020 followed us back to our house 1066 00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:17,220 um 1067 00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:18,599 so 1068 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,420 to explain the janitorial function you 1069 00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:23,760 know it's I used to stand a lot of watch 1070 00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:27,000 so you do a lot of observing you know if 1071 00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,980 I was observing people that were there 1072 00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,260 if say if I was observing a group of 1073 00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,599 people that have been there for the 1074 00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:36,060 first time as opposed to a group of 1075 00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:38,540 people who had been there lots of times 1076 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,180 you know like uh that's what that's what 1077 00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,920 I'm getting at you know that it didn't 1078 00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,020 seem like these lights that were 1079 00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:48,180 hovering over people's houses had just 1080 00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:51,660 gotten there and this was uh some sort 1081 00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,780 of Novel encounter because it was as if 1082 00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,880 I mean it was a regular night at one 1083 00:48:02,809 --> 00:47:59,280 o'clock in the morning it wasn't even 1084 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,819 it wasn't even hidden you know it was 1085 00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,220 just you describe these things as 1086 00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,740 similar to what you saw before like like 1087 00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:10,140 in like orbs 1088 00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:14,460 yeah yeah the the you know the idea of 1089 00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,579 lights in the sky always comes back you 1090 00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:19,319 know what I saw was lights in the sky 1091 00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,680 I've never had any I've never had any 1092 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,500 other experiences besides lights in the 1093 00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:28,800 sky I mean that I can 1094 00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:31,859 conjure here for this for this interview 1095 00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,560 and when you were looking out at these 1096 00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:37,680 say 30 or so whatever they were 1097 00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,740 um they they seem to hover in place 1098 00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,480 except for one the one that seemed to 1099 00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:44,819 follow you home 1100 00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:47,880 no they were moving it was it was by the 1101 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,640 way that they're moving that 1102 00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,359 um 1103 00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:52,800 you know 1104 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:55,140 that gives me this feeling of other 1105 00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:57,540 worldliness that feels kind of 1106 00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,880 intoxicating so they're all moving 1107 00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,520 around at some point but even though 1108 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,680 these things are out there my friend 1109 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:06,180 wants to go home 1110 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,480 yeah that's definitely you know another 1111 00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:12,720 thing like kind of like me on watch you 1112 00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,940 know I was working 16 hour days lights 1113 00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:17,099 in the sky are great you know but 1114 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:18,119 they're not going to help me wake up 1115 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:19,880 tomorrow 1116 00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:22,560 but I definitely but I'm the kind of 1117 00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,060 person that would have stayed out there 1118 00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:26,700 all night looking at these things you 1119 00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,660 know 1120 00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,480 and when you saw the thing take off 1121 00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:32,099 um would you say it took off at a rapid 1122 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:35,579 speed or how and it went straight up 1123 00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:38,760 straight up straight up oh that's pretty 1124 00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,220 key and uh that's because because what I 1125 00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,720 was thinking about in terms of Michigan 1126 00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:45,180 is all these Lakes you know and that 1127 00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:47,400 they it's you know the my intuition is 1128 00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,599 like they have to be coming out of the 1129 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,579 water but when this thing was done with 1130 00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:52,260 us it went straight up 1131 00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:53,700 yeah 1132 00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,980 that does that is one of the 1133 00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,720 characteristics that you do here a lot 1134 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:02,640 of people talk about thing just shooting 1135 00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:06,240 straight up and and fast and obviously I 1136 00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:08,099 mean I'm assuming that there was no 1137 00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:09,000 sound 1138 00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:10,980 either 1139 00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:13,560 no we didn't hear any sound that night 1140 00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:14,940 yeah 1141 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:17,819 well it's all it's all so so fascinating 1142 00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,680 uh and you you don't there was no no way 1143 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,540 that you could have had any missing time 1144 00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,160 I know we talked briefly about that 1145 00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,680 earlier but you said this was about one 1146 00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:30,599 in the morning and everything checked 1147 00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,940 out as far as the time goes like if you 1148 00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:34,560 looked at your watch and it was like 1 1149 00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:36,839 30 in the morning after that or 1150 00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:40,619 I mean we were up until we were up until 1151 00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,380 early in the morning I think we were out 1152 00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:45,599 on the back porch we were we were out 1153 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,160 when we got back to his house we were 1154 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,780 just laying out on the back porch just 1155 00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:49,920 looking at it 1156 00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:53,940 you know above us yeah yeah 1157 00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,460 wow and no no I don't think there was I 1158 00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:57,720 don't think there was missing time I 1159 00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:01,020 think the thing that's weird for me is I 1160 00:51:06,849 --> 00:51:04,859 don't know what parts of my life are 1161 00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:06,859 um 1162 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,020 are uh 1163 00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:13,140 me having a meeting with someone you 1164 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,900 know what I mean like um like after you 1165 00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,480 have an experience like this you start 1166 00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:20,819 to wonder about other experiences you 1167 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,920 have and whether they're connected to 1168 00:51:27,370 --> 00:51:25,260 this you know and that's kind of what 1169 00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:27,380 what happened to me especially 1170 00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,020 especially after this one because I was 1171 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,420 you know in a lot of ways I was these 1172 00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:36,960 things show up when I need a sign you 1173 00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,260 know when I need a little when I need a 1174 00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,119 little extra to push on because it's 1175 00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:44,520 been a you know it's been a hard journey 1176 00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:47,579 I know that Kevin Day talked about this 1177 00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,460 um the idea of possibly getting some re 1178 00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:53,220 some compensation for injuries that 1179 00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,099 we've received from these experiences 1180 00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,079 and I completely understand that because 1181 00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:01,319 as a disabled veteran you know 1182 00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,740 um I I understand how few things are 1183 00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,660 covered you know 1184 00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:08,880 you know I I'd like to just mention the 1185 00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:11,460 idea of a non-state actor instead of 1186 00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:15,540 this idea of aliens because you know in 1187 00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,339 terms of sickness The Havana Syndrome 1188 00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:20,520 has come up recently too and the 1189 00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:21,900 government put out something really 1190 00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,059 strange that they were going to cover it 1191 00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,520 medically but they can be sure that it 1192 00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,319 wasn't a foreign government what the 1193 00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,480 hell does that mean because for the rest 1194 00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:32,579 of us we need an act of Congress to be 1195 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,260 passed in order for them to cover 1196 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,020 something how does it automatically they 1197 00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,800 proved this Havana syndrome is not a 1198 00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:43,260 foreign government and they're going to 1199 00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:44,579 cover it 1200 00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,700 that is that is really bizarre now I 1201 00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,960 don't know are you familiar with the 1202 00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:51,839 rendelshim forest incident 1203 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,780 you'll have to remind me yeah well that 1204 00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,880 happened back in 1980 and it was on a 1205 00:53:00,490 --> 00:52:59,520 military base in England America yeah 1206 00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:00,500 yeah 1207 00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:03,900 I mean John Burroughs was covered 1208 00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:06,540 um for medical insurance he had a lawyer 1209 00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,819 and they actually was able to he had 1210 00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:10,680 heart trouble that he was relating to 1211 00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:14,640 his incident and uh uh he actually won 1212 00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:18,420 which is pretty rare so uh but that you 1213 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:21,720 know I mean that's a whole different uh 1214 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,359 type of situation I believe you know 1215 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:26,220 from what his exposure was I'm not 1216 00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:27,960 really sure 1217 00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,359 um what other peoples are that you're 1218 00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,160 you know if you were exposed to anything 1219 00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:34,319 or not I don't know I'm I'm interested 1220 00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:36,300 in veterans getting compensation all 1221 00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:39,180 around I'm already 100 disabled and so 1222 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:40,740 like you know there's nowhere to go 1223 00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:44,040 after 100 you know well you can't 1224 00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,099 compensate me anymore but um you know 1225 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:50,099 and so for something like this uh so I 1226 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:52,500 have MS but for something like this you 1227 00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:53,880 know people are gonna have a hard time 1228 00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,420 getting compensation and uh yeah I guess 1229 00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:59,700 we have to start working on it now you 1230 00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:01,859 know uh Kevin day was talking about 1231 00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,500 education you know 1232 00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:05,520 um 1233 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,559 yeah well I didn't know how to educate 1234 00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:08,880 people I don't know how to educate 1235 00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:11,579 people on something like this I'm a i i 1236 00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,540 favor classical education 1237 00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:16,859 hey you know we were out of time already 1238 00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:19,619 and uh went really fast thank you so 1239 00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:20,940 much for everything thank you for your 1240 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,720 service and uh we'll be talking soon 1241 00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:26,640 um and I will put in the show notes I 1242 00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:27,960 appreciate your time and you're doing 1243 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,599 great work great thank you very much I 1244 00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:32,160 will put your blog in the show notes for 1245 00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,099 anyone could uh take a look at it all 1246 00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,619 right thanks a lot all right take care 1247 00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,599 all right everyone sorry we ran short in 1248 00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,240 time we'll be back next week uh remember 1249 00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:44,880 to keep your eyes to the sky thank you 1250 00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:45,200 all